monster???

[daniels137]

I got the monster cable, paid $150 (analouge interconnect) and compared it through the digital coax input with a $2 cable. I have the pioneer 2011 and Canton speakers. Kill me but I didn't hear any difference at all, between bad coax and good interconnects by Monster. Are cables one big lie?

[cybersoga]

There are so many things wrong with that statement I don't think i'll bother to reply! oh damn!

[daniels137]

not only myself, but 10 other people heard it and couldn't find any difference, i tried to trick them. Probably the whole cable theory is a lie. Don't reply if you don't want to :)~:-)~:smile: :)~:-)~:smile:

[juboy]

Probably the whole cable theory is a lie.




There are some people that do believe that all digital coaxial cables sound the same, their claim being that as long as they pass either the 0 or a 1 at the right time and in the right order, it can't sound any different.



Even those people tend to agree that with analogue interconnects and speaker cable, the simple laws of physics mean that a thick, tin cable with no shielding will sound different to a thin silver cable with shielding and a layer of plastic encasing it.



I'm not a scientist and I know very little about electricial signals and how they're passed, but what I do know is that it's insane to make a claim that all cables sound the same.

[Squirrelecto]

Depends what you were listening to. A good range of material will demonstrate the variations in sound much better.

[Madge]

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Probably the whole cable theory is a lie.


I'm not a scientist and I know very little about electricial signals and how they're passed, but what I do know is that it's insane to make a claim that all cables sound the same.




I am a scientist and I know far too much about the propagation of electrical signals, but I agree with Juboy 100%. However, your ability to perceive this may or may not be sufficient. This can be due to your own audio faculty or down to your equipment.

Please don't take that the wrong way, it's not meant to be in any way insulting, it's just the truth.

[Gambit]

I'm a failed scientist (I have the failed exam papers to prove it) and I know cables make a difference. I spend my days listening to different hifi's and a different cable can make as much difference as a component can. I have blind tested these things, and I do get it right. Hell, I can even tell the difference between a speaker with or without these (http://www.joenit.com/Dis/UK/Totem/Beak.htm) on the top of them, and I was very sceptical.

[Squirrelecto]

I'm a failed scientist (I have the failed exam papers to prove it)




I would've thought you'd need to have been employed as a scientist to call yourself a scientist. So you've gotten out of the failure by a loophole. Gambit 1 The Establishment 0 :D~:-D~:grin:

[daniels137]

do you know if i upgrade my speakers from the clearwater van den hul to the cs122 van den hul, would i get better results?

thanks.

[juboy]

do you know if i upgrade my speakers from the clearwater van den hul to the cs122 van den hul, would i get better results?

thanks.




You'd really be best advised to ask your dealer to lend you both cables and try them in your system. They should do that if you leave a deposit.



But to be honest, I've never been wholly convinced by small jumps in the same manufacturer's range, either model or price range. Yes, there might be a difference but you have to work out whether it's really worth making the move to the new cable.



I also personally believe in the theory of diminishing returns regarding cables (especially speaker cable). For example, there is no doubt in my mind (because I've tried it - and heard it!) that a decent £20p/m speaker cable will perform better, in most cases, than a £3p/m cable. Whether or not a £50p/m cable performs to a better pound per performance ration than the £20p/m cable is much more open to debate.



I tried lots of sub-£50p/m cables a few years ago and found that Nordost SuperFlatline Gold MkII was the one that really stood out for me. I think it sells for about £16 to £19p/m and is as good as anything up until you hit the really expensive stuff - which then becomes unaffordable to me anyway, so it's academic 8)~8-)~:cool:

[mariner]

I am a cable makes a difference believer. up to a point as per julians advice.

I once received a pair of VS speaker cables from Russ Andrew, one run was marked for directionality and the other (by omission) wasn't so I rang Russ for his views. He said using one speaker only, to try the wire both ways with some music that had a lot of treble and that whichever way sounded 'sweetest' was the correct direction. sceptically I tried this and there was a discernable difference, I'm not saying everyone would find the same but why not try it sometime for curiosity :)~:-)~:smile: