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06-09-2003, 06:59 PM
Just thought that this may help out a few members with their set up. I currently have the old Video Essentials DVD and when i had it a loooong time ago in a far away galaxy it came in very handy.
Now the same company has brought out the Digital Video Essentials DVD. This DVD helps users set up their lighting, audio and video to a lot better standard. All the info is from professionals in the A/V Industry. On the origional was also loads of test patterns and now the new digital version, includes a lot more eequipment like HDTV & Plasma settings.
I am now upgrading to this new version as i got so much put of the last one i hope you all find this handy.
P.S. It is American, the DVD plays in any DVD player. But there is a wealth of info.
http://www.blackstar.co.uk/circle/search?words=DVD+Essential s&f=all&x=40&y=14 (http://www.blackstar.co.uk/circle/search?words=DVD+Essentials&f=all&x=40&y=14)
06-09-2003, 07:01 PM
Not out till 8th September 2003 .. DOH !!
08-09-2003, 07:35 AM
The latest release of DVE over here will be a PAL version for those of us with lots of R2 releases who wish to correctly calibrate to PAL rather than NTSC. NTSC is of course available if you buy from over the pond.
08-09-2003, 02:13 PM
My US copy hasn't shipped from Amazon.com yet, and my PAL copy hasn't shipped from play.com yet.
08-09-2003, 02:28 PM
Mine's being 'processed' by dvd.co.uk at the moment! Whatever that means... :roll:
08-09-2003, 08:38 PM
The ntsc is only £12.99 from movietyme.com
09-09-2003, 07:51 AM
My copy was supposedly £10.99 from Splash DVD but it's all a little academic unless the damn disc actually ever sees the light of day...
10-09-2003, 02:21 PM
We have an NTSC copy at work, that was bought from over at CEDIA US.
I'm waiting on my PAL copy though.
11-09-2003, 06:25 PM
Still waiting for my Pal Copy too.
11-09-2003, 07:37 PM
still waiting for Splash-should rename it Snail Depress :x~:-x~:mad:
16-09-2003, 01:36 PM
When checking on play.com it looks likes the release date has been pushed back to 20/10 :(. So that would explain your lack of copies.
16-09-2003, 04:23 PM
Aye. Bit of a bugger innit. :(
16-09-2003, 06:25 PM
I got my NTSC copy from amazon.com today.
17-09-2003, 08:36 AM
I now have two DVDs on order with Splash, DVE being one of them. I have emailed them numerous times about the discs and not had one single reply. I shall not be using them ever again. £2 off vouchers are only worthwhile if you actually get the -removed-ing discs.
17-09-2003, 08:55 AM
I e-mailed dvd.co.uk about DVE yesterday and got a response almost immediately about the delay. Would have been nice if they'd let me know anyway - which in fairness to them they did at the time of the first delay in it's release.
Sorry to hear about splash JB, I've posted before that I've heard a lot about their erratic customer service. The prices may be competitive but I for one don't use them regardless.
29-10-2003, 11:03 AM
Recieved my copy yesterday, all I can say is this disc is fantastic.
Got it mainly for the audio side, thought the video side was just about spot on, but after running it I have improved video quality by at least 10-15%. Audio was off as well, espescially the channel levels, but positioning was just about spot on, the image/stereo test will be really helpful for some.
Loved the quality of the NASA clip. :)~:-)~:smile:
Will purchase the PAL version then I can have two personal settings on the tv, one for NTSC-R1 and one for PAL-R2.
06-11-2003, 10:32 AM
:x~:-x~:mad: :( Has anybody got their PAL version yet!!!!
13-12-2003, 10:23 PM
Yes a last, 2 months after I ordered it :x~:-x~:mad:
I went for the NTSC version, but the box says PAL :?~:-?~:???:
14-12-2003, 04:41 AM
Just had a look at my order on Play and it says that it was posted on 11/12/03
Should be arriving Monday with a bit of luck. :thumbup:
15-12-2003, 12:00 PM
My PAL version arrived today :thumbup: Only ordered it from Play on Friday. Should get a chance to give it a spin later.
15-12-2003, 12:07 PM
About bloody time, I'll put a new order in; should have things set up for the Christmas viewing!
15-12-2003, 12:56 PM
Yeh, mine did arrive today.
Not exactly the best delivery service, but I don't think we can blame Play! Lets just hope it was worth the wait.
15-12-2003, 04:59 PM
Just got the email from Splash DVD saying it's shipped today :clap:. Now I have an excuse to set up the Plasma.
15-12-2003, 09:45 PM
PAL version arrived from Play.com today, had a look at it this evening. Picture definition looks much better compared with the NTSC version, I don't know if this is purely because it's PAL or because they did a better transfer (there have been reports that the NTSC version was filtered and not pixel perfect like Avia Video Essensials) - the picture on PAL DVE's test patterns and demo material looks significantly higher definition with no sign of edge enhancement. The Shuttle takeoff looks particularly impressive. At last I was able to adjust contrast, brightness, colour and overscan etc so that it's exactly the same with NTSC and PAL DVDs - my screen has seperate memories for PAL and NTSC adjustments.
23-12-2003, 08:13 AM
Quite surprised by the different levels I've set the TV at using DVE vs Avia. Brightness is set much higher whilst contrast is just a little higher than before. I thought the resulting picture might look a little washed out, but no, it's definitely an improvement so far.
23-12-2003, 08:46 AM
Deckard, that's interesting. I haven't had a chance to really go through all the DVE PAL set-up tests but I have done the basic ones and really can't get used to the washed out, brighter look.
Brightness was 7(!) points higher than AVIA (AVIA worked out 1 point higher than Optimizer) and I also found the colour saturation to be 6 points lower on my TV's settings than AVIA.
And it would seem I still haven't found a test disc that really defines the correct Contrast setting - I find them all a bit suspect to be honest.
I really don't think DVEs brightness setting is right y'know...
23-12-2003, 09:03 AM
Jules, I know exactly what you mean about contrast setting.
With brightness it's easy to see where the disc is telling you to set it; contrast seems much less precise - turn it up until geometry goes out a bit but maintaining adequate light output, how much exactly? Avoid blooming, my set doesn't exhibit blooming even at max contrast. Tricky...
I only applied the new settings at the weekend so I'm going to live with them a while yet. The vast majority of my discs are PAL so I'm getting good images from them, isn't most of your collection NTSC so maybe that's why things don't look so good? More likely it's just getting used to a different presentation than what you're familiar with.
23-12-2003, 09:19 AM
Ditto with the whole Contrast setting thing, I can't make my TV bloom when it's supposed to either. I find it gets worse the more you run the contrast setting up and down - I just lose complete track of what's 'correct' and what isn't. The one that seems to work best (or a bad bunch) is, ironically, the previous Video Essentials contrast test, with the 'mesh' lines test, but even that seems fairly a vague test.
You are right about my discs, probably 98% NTSC. However, I mainly bought DVE PAL to see if it improved Sky+ images... and I don't think it does. Black areas just seem too grey to me now and watching stuff like Eastenders barely shows any colour. OK, I know it's deliberately washed out, but with the DVE settings it's almost monochrome :o~:-o~:eek:
23-12-2003, 09:30 AM
How is your DVD player connected - component? If it's connected via component or RGB scart then altering the colour slider shouldn't make any difference to the on-screen colours, you can set the slider to minimum and the picture via component will not change in colour. I wonder if this might be what you're doing, setting the colour too low by trying to calibrate colour via component.
In order to correctly set the colour for broadcast material you'll need to calibrate via s-video or even composite, so set your DVD player to deliver one of these two and connect as appropriate to you display. This will give accurate colours.
Try it and see, I set brightness and contrast via RGB scart but to get accurate colour balance for those rare occasions I watch any broadcast TV I set my player to output s-video to calibrate the colour.
Have a look here and scroll down to the post by Guy Kuo of Ovation Software (AVIA).
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php?Cat=& (http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=37629&page=8&v iew=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) amp;Board=UBB9&Number=37629&page=8&view=collapse d&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
For setting Sky I use AVIA via S-Video from the DVD player as the starting point and then just manually tweak settings using a studio shot (Sky News, BBC News etc). My digibox has S-Video output. :)~:-)~:smile:
I had used DVE for the video side things but switched back to AVIA again as it looks better to my eyes. :)~:-)~:smile:
How is your DVD player connected - component? If it's connected via component or RGB scart then altering the colour slider shouldn't make any difference to the on-screen colours, you can set the slider to minimum and the picture via component will not change in colour.
Depends on the TV/Display. My JVC lets you adjust Contrast, Brightness, Sharpness, Colour and Hue via Component. If it's a PS signal then Sharpness can't be adjusted. My DVD player will also let me adjust Contrast, Brightness, Colour & Hue for it's PS output. Quite handy really. :)~:-)~:smile:
23-12-2003, 02:12 PM
Actually I've had a comparison of Avia vs DVE brightness settings this lunchtime and in fact they're virtually the same on my equipment.
What I've done now however is to calibrate to the black bars and half white screen of Avia, rather than half grey, as I'd done similar on DVE, ie not simply the black bars as my TV isn't 'stable' enough to maintain the same level of black when a large area of the screen is white but to a screen with a large area of light too (in the reference material section).
This means there's extra detail visible now in the picture although black level isn't quite as dark as if I'd calibrated to black bars and half grey.
At the moment I prefer it, but I'll live with it for a while and see.
23-12-2003, 02:23 PM
Buns has been trying to explain to me the interactive effects of brightness and contrast on the gamma of a display where you can't easily adjust it.
I had assumed that a fixed gamma value would result in a fixed gamma curve, with different end points, this is not the case, as you can probably see, correct setting of black and white levels can result in a terrible gamma curve.
24-12-2003, 07:29 AM
How is your DVD player connected - component?
Yep. Although as it's PAL, it's interlaced video and the colour slider does definitely have a large effect.
I actually spent about two hours with DVE yesterday afternoon and have now obtained a much more impressive image, although I'm actually using the Ambient lighting test card to set the brightness control, it seems to work better for my TV.
I also find their geometry pattern allows me to fine tune the geometry settings more easily than AVIA, where there doesn't seem to be enought gridlines and they're too far apart to give a really accurate picture of what's going on.
Also pleased to see that my TV's greyscale setting and colour decoder are both pretty darn spot on :thumbup:
26-12-2003, 12:13 PM
Have you had chance to give the Pal version a spin yet and has it resulted in an noticeable improvements?
30-12-2003, 08:58 AM
Yep, it's the PAL version I'm using. I must admit, having spent a few more hours playing around with the disc, I now have the best picture I've seen on Sky+ broadcasts. I still need to take the brightness down two notches from what DVE suggests is optimum but otherwise, it's looking great.
Anyone who has DVE might also be interested in the latest Widescreen Review magazine as there's a lengthy Q&A regarding the disc and it's tests with Joe Kane. It's quite useful to read, especially the overscan information.
08-01-2004, 11:11 AM
Do you think for me (just using a toshiba TV) the disc will give me a better set-up than say the set up's you get with some DVD's like Pink Floyd's The Wall?
08-01-2004, 11:15 AM
It should do. It's the best disc I've ever used for geometry and overscan set-up plus it seems to get colour a little more 'right' than AVIA.
DVE is well worth the money IMO.
13-01-2004, 08:08 AM
Thanks, Just ordered it.
is this likely to be beneficial for Dvd setup (pioneer 464) connected to a 28 inch 50hz Crt via RGb scart or is it really just for plasmas and projectors?
(sound is via 5.1 DD/DTS amp)
Input most appreciated :nod:
26-01-2004, 08:49 AM
Stew, if you've never calibrated your system before and don't own AVIA or earlier versions of Video Essentials then I would suggest the <£15 you'd have to spend on DVE is money well spent.
It's arguable that you may not quite notice the difference as much on a smaller screen, but it's still worthwhile ensuring that everything in your system is set up to it's full potential.
Seems daft to have spent money on a DVD player, TV, Amp and speakers and then begrudge just over a tenner to get it all set-up correctly.
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