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17-10-2003, 10:21 AM
Is there some thing wrong with me or was I expecting far too much from a surround system. I just replaced my old Nad 3020 amp for a Marantz SR4300 from Richer sounds. I kept my old Mission 700 speakers, pre 1980 model. The stereo sound is good, maybe slightly better, hard to say.
I also bought a Gale 10 centre and Gale 3060 surrounds. They all seem to work if I prompt the amp to play in DD, Auto seems to prefer stereo mode. I did the setup and level test fine. Then played a DVD and could not really hear much improvement between stereo and surround. I had the wife running between speakers to make sure they were all still working. The DVD was Spiderman, which has a 5.1 sound track. My DVD player, a JVC something from Techtronics, it is supposed to be DD and DTS capable.
I plan to take the Gale 10 back for maybe the Gale 3050c and maybe the Gale 3060 will go back, if I jump manufacturer. But what should I expect. I am using a Profigold PGD485 Digital A/V lead but my surround speakers are connected using bell wire. Hope to get some IXOS 6003 from ebay over the weekend, canít make up my mind how much to get just yet.
I only have a few days left of my trial period from Richer sounds and only a few hours of that will be at home, work commitments. So any advice would be appreciated. I have a much bigger budget than I spent, £500, but took the advice of the guy in Richer sounds and only spent £300.
17-10-2003, 10:43 AM
Welcome to the forum :clap:
My first thought is that you should check your amp setup.
As you don't seem to have a subwoofer set atleast the front speakers as large in the speaker setup (you can try with all speakers as large, might sound better to you).
Then set subwoofer to "none" and route bass to fronts, or something simular (I've only had Denon).
The first thing you should get that would make it more cinema like is a subwoofer, trust me, it makes a huge difference. :)~:-)~:smile:
17-10-2003, 10:51 AM
To add to Magking's good advice...
Speaker placement is also very important. Chapter 3 of Dolby's home cinema guide deals with this here:
Once you get the speaker placement right, you'll find your 'sweet spot' (position where everything just sounds perfect) and you'll be in home cinema heaven :thumbup:
Remember also that different DVDs have different 'qualities' of 5.1. See this thread (http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=376&start=0&rid=9&S=5bdb296d49f 250b780a0c48ce80e7343) and this thread (http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=2481&start=0&rid=9&S=f9e3202adb b9b76e537f9be319f922d0) for examples of what AV Talk members consider the best Dolby and DTS soundtracks :)~:-)~:smile:
17-10-2003, 10:59 AM
Another thing to check. I wasn't 100% sure from reading your original post, and I don't know the behaviour of your particular amp in these conditions, but have you checked that the DVD player is set to output DD and DTS bitstreams? There are normally separate menu options on the player to select whether it outputs DD or DTS streams or downmixes them to PCM. It may be set to output PCM by default. Worth checking if you haven't already. ;)~;-)~:wink:
17-10-2003, 11:16 AM
Sorry, what is PCM. :?~:-?~:???:
I have switched off my sub and other speakers which were not present, extra rears. They are all set small, will try large again. I did notice a difference when I changed them to small, in stereo mode. Is it significant that Auto selects Stereo mode.
The positions I choice came from the Dolby site recommendations.
If I have any budget left after changing my centre I will consider a sub as well. I like the M & S 's from Richer sound, they do a complete set for £299, including a sub. I would have preferred to go Mission, M71 and M7C, all the way but after the guy in Richer sounds comments about their budget range I was talked out of them.
17-10-2003, 11:22 AM
Sorry, what is PCM. :?~:-?~:???:
Sorry, linear PCM is a two-channel digital signal like that produced by CD's. As opposed to Bitstream which can be used to carry 5.1 discrete channels encoded in DD or DTS.
The fact that your amp detects this as Stereo on Auto mode may well indicate that your DVD player is outputting PCM. I would definitely check the menu setting on the DVD player. ;)~;-)~:wink:
17-10-2003, 11:30 AM
Brilliant, thanks, that was the answer I was hopping for. I will now go home and shoot the wife for throwing out the manual for the DVD player w) .
On another point, I just finished reading all the DVD's recommended for testing A/V systems and was surprised how few I have. I guess I have a little over a hundred DVD's and only a couple from the list. I have Blade II, Monster Inc and Fellowship of the Rings but that is it. I have most of the rest on Video.
17-10-2003, 12:30 PM
I have a JVC XV-521 DVD player. How do I get it from PCM to DD or DTS playback with no manual. I tried pressing buttons on the remote but no apparent joy.
17-10-2003, 12:34 PM
Look for a button named "setup".
Make shure there is nothing playing.
Then look for something like "audio setup" or "digital out"
17-10-2003, 12:47 PM
No button for set-up, there is an AUDIO button but it does nothing. I have tried several combination as well. Tried the JVC site and they don't have any data on the XV-521.
With no disk loaded the only button that does anything is open/close.
17-10-2003, 01:03 PM
The audio button is for changing audio trrack durin play on a DVD so thats not it.
I just found the manual here (http://www.techtronics.com/files/user-manual/UserManual-JVC-XV-521-522-523.pdf).
Just give me a couple of mibutes and I'll lokk through it. :thumbup:
17-10-2003, 01:05 PM
Look at page 38-40 on the link I gave you. There is all the info you need. :thumbup:
17-10-2003, 01:48 PM
Absolutly brillant :thumbup: . You are a genius :bow: , I owe you a pint for that :thumbup: .
Once I figured out I also had to tell the receiver which ditital input it is getting its signal from I almost fell over the sound was all around me. Must dash as I have a film to listen too. Then I must get back to fixing my PC.
17-10-2003, 01:54 PM
Great, welcome to the surround experience. :thumbup:
17-10-2003, 02:02 PM
I almost fell over the sound was all around me. Must dash as I have a film to listen too.
Another addict joins the club :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
Do still spend time tweaking and adjusting speaker positions. It will pay dividends :nod:
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